Attack, Attack, Attack? Understanding “Vor” & “Nach”


Another excellent blog on the idea of priority and the difference, if I may say so, between the mentality of sport and a real attempt to be in the mindset where the weapons are deadly and you have only one ‘life’ and not three ‘hits’.

The HEMAists

by Bill Grandy

meyerVor and Nach. These two terms are constantly referred to in the various Liechtenauer teachings. On the surface the definition seems simple: The person who has seized the Vor (the “Before Timing”) is usually described as the fighter who has made an attack, whereas the person in the Nach (the “After Timing”) is the person who is forced to defend. Time and time again the treatises tell us to seize the Vor, and to not be the person who stays in the Nach. By this logic, it would seem safe to assume that to win, one should attack first and keep attacking at all costs, right?

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4 thoughts on “Attack, Attack, Attack? Understanding “Vor” & “Nach”

  1. Too much focus has and is placed on the idea of attacking… as opposed to the notion of… not loosing not dying… whether on the ancient battlefield or modern.. I recently read an interview with an lied tanker from wwii.. the interviewer asked about his thought on how crews felt about knocking out German tanks… the tanker saI’d they were far more concerned about not getting killed by the Germans..
    The notion that the German tradition says attack has been latched on by many and reinforced by the false conclusions that can be reached when training with modern protection etc.

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